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niek2004 · Mar 13, 2008, 11:21 AM // 11:21

hi, ive saved up some money and now i want to buy a new PC. i will build it myself and here is what i had in mind.

Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q6600 2.4GHz 1066MHz 8MB LGA775 EM64T CPU, Retail.

Palit nVidia GeForce 8800GT Sonic OC 512MB 2DVI/HDCP PCI-Express Video Card.

STT DDR2-800 4GB (2x2GB) Memory Kit.

Super Talent Atomic Juice PS-700 700W ATX12V SLI Power Supply, w/ North America Power Cord.

Antec Mini P180 No Power Supply Micro ATX Mini Tower Case (Black).[changing...]

Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro 7.1 24-bit PCI Sound Card, Retail

MSI P7N Diamond Core 2 Quad/ nForce 780i SLI/ FSB 1333/ RAID/ 3-Way SLI/ A&2GbE/ ATX Motherboard

now, i dont know much about computer parts, is my mother board and RAM good enough?
or should i go for something else, please feel free to comment on anything.

thanks for reading.

gone · Mar 13, 2008, 11:27 AM // 11:27

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Originally Posted by niek2004

hi, ive saved up some money and now i want to buy a new PC. i will build it myself and here is what i had in mind.

Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q6600 2.4GHz 1066MHz 8MB LGA775 EM64T CPU, Retail.

Palit nVidia GeForce 8800GT Super+ 1GB 2DVI/HDCP PCI-Express Video Card.

STT DDR2-800 4GB (2x2GB) Memory Kit.

Super Talent Atomic Juice PS-700 700W ATX12V SLI Power Supply, w/ North America Power Cord.

Antec Mini P180 No Power Supply Micro ATX Mini Tower Case (Black).

Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy SE 7.1 24-bit Sound Card, Retail.

MSI P7N SLI Platinum Core 2 Quad/ nForce 750i SLI/ FSB 1333/ A&GbE/ 1394/ ATX Motherboard.

now, i dont know much about computer parts, is my mother board and RAM good enough?
or should i go for something else, please feel free to comment on anything.

thanks for reading.

you're prolly gonna have a real tuff time cramming a full size mobo & an 88 series fx card in a mini tower. ;-p

Blackhearted · Mar 13, 2008, 12:05 PM // 12:05

From the looks of it the motherboard should work with the cpu and ram you picked. And ddr2-800 is the standard nowadays unless you plan on heavily overclocking so you're probly good there too.

One thing i will point out though is that Audigy SE. I wouldn't recommend that as the SE versions of any sound blaster card are always horribly cut down versions that don't offer the full features of the name that they carry.

niek2004 · Mar 13, 2008, 12:10 PM // 12:10

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Originally Posted by Blackhearted

From the looks of it the motherboard should work with the cpu and ram you picked. And ddr2-800 is the standard nowadays unless you plan on heavily overclocking so you're probly good there too.

One thing i will point out though is that Audigy SE. I wouldn't recommend that as the SE versions of any sound blaster card are always horribly cut down versions that don't offer the full features of the name that they carry.

thanks ill pick another sound card,

and btw will this be fast enough to run e.g crysis or something?

niek2004 · Mar 13, 2008, 12:10 PM // 12:10

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Originally Posted by flubber

you're prolly gonna have a real tuff time cramming a full size mobo & an 88 series fx card in a mini tower. ;-p

taking anohter case, thanks.

Snograt · Mar 13, 2008, 01:55 PM // 13:55

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Originally Posted by niek2004

thanks ill pick another sound card,

and btw will this be fast enough to run e.g crysis or something?

Get an X-Fi, and yes; yes it will

Blackhearted · Mar 13, 2008, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by Snograt

Get an X-Fi, and yes; yes it will

Yea, X-Fi's are an excellent choice for a sound card. Just one bit of warning with those though. The one labeled "Xtreme Audio" is a similar situation to the audigy/audigy2 SE in that it's the not so good and cut down version. So be wary of that if considering an X-Fi.

Pasha the Mighty · Mar 13, 2008, 10:23 PM // 22:23

get the x-fi xtreme music. And unless you actually want to go sli later on, maybe you should get a mobo with an intell chipset. I don't remember what was wrong with the nforce ones, I think it was the higher power consumption or something like that. I'm gonna build a pc in like a month, and i'm going with the p5k-e/ wifi-ap (i postponed the upgrade so i could get a better gfx card).
Why are you getting a q6600? I wanted one too, but then I read a few reviews and stuff, and asked around on the forum, and found out that it's actuallynot necessary yet to get a quad core. No games use 4 cores optimally, neither do most programs, except like video encoding stuff. Get an e8400. And mby a cpu cooler, like the Scythe Infinity. If you're changin the case you chose, consider the coolermaster cm690. It's big enough to fit a gtx, has the space for 8 fans (1 80mm, 2 140 mm's and 5 120 mm's) and is very sturdy, but isn't that expensive. You should look into it.
Also, vista/xp wont be able to use the full 4gb of ram, unless you intend to use a 64bit operating system. And, as you have a FSB of 1333, you can get 1066mhz ram, it's faster.
And last, imho 700w is a bit overkill, and i've never heard of the super talent atomic juice ps-700. Check out corsair or zalman psu's.
I know this is probably a lot more feedback than you asked for, but I am a bit bored so I thought i'd try and help you out.

Admael · Mar 14, 2008, 12:04 AM // 00:04

You need a bigger case, definitely not a microATX. Since you're going with Antec's P1XX line, the P182 is gorgeous, I use one myself.

700W is fine, it will power not only the 8800 GT, but it will futureproof you so if you decide to get another for SLI, you're already set! It's not overkill because the thing with PSUs, they don't consume the full rated watts all at once.

Crysis uses all four cores, and if I'm not mistaken, it's a game that the OP is interested in playing. The Q6600 and the 8800 GT will run Crysis @ very high (maximum) and AA/AF off with fair FPS, but you do have to work for it (overclock).

EDIT: If you're a gamer, go for the gaming chipsets, the 750i isn't gonna cut it, do yourself a favor and get either the 680i, the 780i or wait for the 790i.

niek2004 · Mar 14, 2008, 02:52 PM // 14:52

thank you very much for all the feedback, i will stick with the 4gb of ram, since its pretty cheap and i dont want to buy extra within a few years, also i DO USE video editting so Q6600 is defenetly needed. i will look into my mobo and see if i can change that, thanks for all the great advice, and i have another question, im really crap at this stuff but whats the difference between

-Palit nVidia GeForce 8800GT Super+ 1GB 2DVI/HDCP PCI-Express Video Card.

-Palit nVidia GeForce 8800GT Sonic 512MB 2DVI/HDCP PCI-Express Video Card

they cost the same so i was wondering...

Why_Me · Mar 14, 2008, 09:44 PM // 21:44

Quad core is more future proof, at the current rate games are developing, barely any game will use the full processing power, but in the future, if the graphics cards catch up and processors start to matter again, the said games will definitely be optimized to use 4 cores.

If your going to spend that much for an 8800gt, just get an 8800gts (g92) 512mb. You get a card that will always outperform these no name brand 8800gt's, better overclocking ability, and you aren't stuck with a bad, no name company who's card will most likely fail and the company's support and warranty won't help at all. Get an EVGA, XFX, or to a lesser extent MSI, PNY, BFG or ASUS.

No name PSU's are also a bad idea, make sure you have read (trusted) reviews and can trust this PSU before buying.

Its not the power consumption that makes nforce mobos bad, its just the chipset is not particularly good. Since people NEED to get an nforce mobo to SLI (unlike crossfire, nvidia keeps SLI technology from being used by other chipset makers), nvidia doesn't need to make their chipsets effective at doing anything but SLI. In general they are awful at overclocking, expensive, and prone to have more errors that require a technical knowledge of bios settings and etc. Unless you plan to sli in the future, its just better to get an intel chipset. (hell, SLI isn't even worth it atm considering crossfire scales better and is supported by the x38 intel chipset)

Admael · Mar 14, 2008, 10:21 PM // 22:21

Why_Me is right, the GT only has a 256-bit pipe, theres no way it could swallow 1GB of memory, if you're spending so much for a video card, might as well make it the 8800 GTS 512.

I'm waiting for the EVGA 780i FTW. With 8 SATA II ports and all solid-state capacitors, it's just incredible. But at the rate that EVGA is going, the 790i will be released before the 780i FTW

Pasha the Mighty · Mar 14, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27

I generally consider futureproofing not to be a good argument to justify the purchase of a quad core, because by the time they actually use all 4 cores in a game, the current quad cores will be outdated and you would probably be better off getting a better (and higher clocked) dual core now, and getting a better quad core when it would be useful. But since he does encode video's, it would be useful for him to have all four cores.
Like I said in my previous post (and apparently Why Me concurs), get a zalman or corsair psu, cuz the brand you picked is probably crappy (never try to save on a psu by choosing a cheap brand, because it's to the computer what the heart is to you. If you have like a power surge or something, and it isn't properly protected like a A-Brand one is, it would fry everything in your case)
Also, I agree that you should get a good name-brand gpu, and xfx and evga are probably your best choices. I believe XFX has a "no questions asked" warranty policy, but i'm not completely sure.
also, I've never heard of STT, you should consider the corsair twin2x series, that's great memory. You don't want to wind up with defective modules...
EDIT: typo

Blackhearted · Mar 15, 2008, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by Admael

Why_Me is right, the GT only has a 256-bit pipe, theres no way it could swallow 1GB of memory, if you're spending so much for a video card, might as well make it the 8800 GTS 512.

The memory bus width has nothing to do with how much ram a card is capable of using at any given point. All it does is dictate how fast it can move data to and from the memory. Although the 1GB 8800gt isn't really much faster than the 512mb it will be able to use all that ram if a game that used that much was played.

Admael · Mar 15, 2008, 12:56 AM // 00:56

If it's solely for high end gaming, I suggest the E8400. It's dual core, not to mention it's Wolfdale, hard to find. It's has a 45 nanometer die, so you'll have to get a board that supports it, maybe the 780i (nForce) or X38 (intel).

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Originally Posted by Blackhearted

The memory bus width has nothing to do with how much ram a card is capable of using at any given point. All it does is dictate how fast it can move data to and from the memory. Although the 1GB 8800gt isn't really much faster than the 512mb it will be able to use all that ram if a game that used that much was played.

I was more or less trying to explain it, or hint it, but I guess you put it better in words than I do.

Pasha the Mighty · Mar 15, 2008, 09:57 AM // 09:57

If you wan't my advice on getting a graphics card, wait two weeks till they bring out the 9800gtx, so they'll lower the prices on the 8800 gtx, and get one of those (or you could just get a 9800gtx, but it's gonna be like 300 bucks). Im just thinking, getting an evga gt is like $230, and the 8800 GTx's are gonna be lowered in price, there won't be a lot of price difference, but pretty big performance leap.

Why_Me · Mar 16, 2008, 07:16 PM // 19:16

The 8800gtx will still be obsolete because the 8800gts g92 will still be cheaper and have the same average performance.

Pasha the Mighty · Mar 16, 2008, 07:36 PM // 19:36

depends on the resolution you'll be running it on. But I do think that a 9800gtx is better than a gts/512

Admael · Mar 16, 2008, 08:40 PM // 20:40

The G80 GTX outperforms the GTS G92, it may not be the best performance

rice ratio, but it still outperforms.

Here's the 9800GTX Benched, All upscale GTX costed 400+ USD when they were released.

Pasha the Mighty · Mar 16, 2008, 10:13 PM // 22:13

I think i might go for the 9800 gtx, I read somewhere that the gtx is going to be about 300-350 dollars. Unfortunately, that translates into the same amount of euros because of the higher prices here in europe, but 300 bucks might be worth it, but im gonna check out some reviews and benches first.